Mugging Jamie

[Tailsteak]

It should be noted that Jamie's overconfidence and apparent complete lack of fear has little to do with his knowledge of gun safety, and far more to do with a presumption of his mugger's thought processes.

It should also be noted that Jamie's reaction is not normal.

[pumpkincat]

It should be noted that Jamie's overconfidence and apparent complete lack of fear has little to do with his knowledge of gun safety, and far more to do with a presumption of his mugger's thought processes.

It should also be noted that Jamie's reaction is not normal.

I admit that I assumed as much, but it's good to have it confirmed. I know that it wouldn't be MY reaction, but then, I ain't normal either.

[Alex Starkiller]

It should be noted that Jamie's overconfidence and apparent complete lack of fear has little to do with his knowledge of gun safety, and far more to do with a presumption of his mugger's thought processes.

It should also be noted that Jamie's reaction is not normal.

I realised that, also. I'm sure he does have knowledge of gun safety, at least more than the mugger apparently does, but given who he is, it fits that it is the latter of the two choices you listed.

And yeah. I doubt I'd try to reason and presume too much about a man holding a gun on me. I might try to talk him down while handing him my wallet [which I would wish to avoid, but hey, I doubt that's a usual case], or hit him, or run, depending on the situation, but to convince him he doesn't WANT to mug me is patently overconfident to the point of arrogance.

[Globus]

Whoa. Okay, in RK's defense, that shot must have been for intimidating. I hope.

I also hope that Jamie won't get arrested over this, that would be really, really cheap IMO.

[Alex Starkiller]

Quite welcome! And yeah, it will vary depending on weapon. I only own one handgun, though, and the Weaver stance works best for me for that (it's a Remington 1911 chambered in .45ACP). Fairly macho recoil, but the weight of the pistol soaks up a lot of it, making it a good choice (contrary to what a lot of idiots try to tell me) for a woman's grip. The handgrip itself is built for a medium to small-sized hand, which is the big problem for a lot of women. Soaks up recoil, accurate in aiming (as accurate as the shooter, anyway), good penetration - the only down side I see is that some people prefer something you can conceal more readily. And it is a heavy piece of hardware.

My other firearms are all long guns, of varying levels of historical interest. All of them are practical and functional pieces, however.

I actually use on a fairly regular basis, a Colt 1911 .45. Lovely gun, that. You can see why the .45 was a soldier's best friend. I will, 90% of the time, use said Weaver stance, but for fun, I did the extended arm thing, and it worked reasonably well for me, for having that sort of recoil. Given what you've said, the weight of it's probably the reason, plus a firm grip [actually, it might be easier to manage the recoil in that grip, for me, and I have no idea why]. It's got a meatier handgrip than the one you've described, so my hold has to be very different in the Weaver grip for it, than my Glock .40, comparably.
And don't forget stopping power. Unless they have Power Armour or something, standard infantry, or people, will usually be stopped like a brick wall just hit them. And the last bits are indeed true. Out of my arsenal [GUN SAFE] I can think of the Glocks doing the job for a mugging, or even the .357 revolver, for a wild west flair.

Speaking of historical, there's the Colt, plus a very old .22 rifle, plus an M1 Carbine.

Relevant: Today my dad came across an article where a mugger with a gun, demanding a whole wallet, TRIED mugging an MMA fighter, and got the HELL beat out of him. He look messed up, and hilariously so. I think there might be some very coincidental parallels here, especially for the Jamie-kicking-mugger's-arse theory.

[pumpkincat]

Quite welcome! And yeah, it will vary depending on weapon. I only own one handgun, though, and the Weaver stance works best for me for that (it's a Remington 1911 chambered in .45ACP). Fairly macho recoil, but the weight of the pistol soaks up a lot of it, making it a good choice (contrary to what a lot of idiots try to tell me) for a woman's grip. The handgrip itself is built for a medium to small-sized hand, which is the big problem for a lot of women. Soaks up recoil, accurate in aiming (as accurate as the shooter, anyway), good penetration - the only down side I see is that some people prefer something you can conceal more readily. And it is a heavy piece of hardware.

My other firearms are all long guns, of varying levels of historical interest. All of them are practical and functional pieces, however.

I actually use on a fairly regular basis, a Colt 1911 .45. Lovely gun, that. You can see why the .45 was a soldier's best friend. I will, 90% of the time, use said Weaver stance, but for fun, I did the extended arm thing, and it worked reasonably well for me, for having that sort of recoil. Given what you've said, the weight of it's probably the reason, plus a firm grip [actually, it might be easier to manage the recoil in that grip, for me, and I have no idea why]. It's got a meatier handgrip than the one you've described, so my hold has to be very different in the Weaver grip for it, than my Glock .40, comparably.
And don't forget stopping power. Unless they have Power Armour or something, standard infantry, or people, will usually be stopped like a brick wall just hit them. And the last bits are indeed true. Out of my arsenal [GUN SAFE] I can think of the Glocks doing the job for a mugging, or even the .357 revolver, for a wild west flair.

Speaking of historical, there's the Colt, plus a very old .22 rifle, plus an M1 Carbine.

Relevant: Today my dad came across an article where a mugger with a gun, demanding a whole wallet, TRIED mugging an MMA fighter, and got the HELL beat out of him. He look messed up, and hilariously so. I think there might be some very coincidental parallels here, especially for the Jamie-kicking-mugger's-arse theory.

The grip on my Remmie is firm, but a bit of perspective - my SO, who has enormous hands, his sidearm of choice is a Ruger GP100 with a 6 inch barrel chambered in .357 Magnum. For me, the weight combined with barrel length and size of the handgrip meant that there was no comfortable way for me to pull the trigger - I could reach the trigger (my hands not being THAT small) but with the weight and sheer size plus recoil, it was just not ever going to be a comfortable weapon for me.

The 1911 in comparison, I can reach everything I need to reach without dramatics, and the weight soaking up the recoil took care of the rest. It not being as long as the Ruger means that its behavior in my hand is a little less extreme.

My most historically relevant weapons are a pair of Mosin-Nagants from WWII, made in 1939 and 1943. Beautifully simple and amazingly precise pieces of weaponry, complete with bayonets to be affixed to the end. I have two in case the one I shoot regularly ever develops a problem and needs parts; so far, it hasn't happened, and with proper maintenance it may never happen. You can see the difference in production standards due to the sheer churn of the war, though; the 1939 one is beautifully machined. The 1943 one is rougher in its finish.

My other weapons are largely old designs as well, but modern-made. Older designs have an advantage in there being fewer complex working parts, although they're not for everyone.

[Alex Starkiller]

Nice. I would love to have that Ruger. While the jury is out on my grip of one, I would love to fire that. I think it's beautiful.

And yeah, I get what you're saying.

And those are pretty awesome. I have no idea what those are like to use, but just owning them'd be cool. Pretty, too.
And I forgot to mention the Carbine has a pretty good bayonet on it, along with a shoulder strap from that era.

And I'd like a few more older looking newer guns.

[pumpkincat]

Nice. I would love to have that Ruger. While the jury is out on my grip of one, I would love to fire that. I think it's beautiful.

And yeah, I get what you're saying.

And those are pretty awesome. I have no idea what those are like to use, but just owning them'd be cool. Pretty, too.
And I forgot to mention the Carbine has a pretty good bayonet on it, along with a shoulder strap from that era.

And I'd like a few more older looking newer guns.

I should, with a certain amount of British understatement, describe the firing as 'rugged'.

It takes 7.62x54r ammunition, which is functionally similar to the British .303; the bullets look like this:

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/Mosin_clip.jpg

(Note that the clip in the picture is Finnish, although the Mosin-Nagant is designed to accept a clip. I don't have any clips for mine.)

The Mosin-Nagant has a steel buttplate, which adds appreciably to the weight and heft of what is already a nontrivially weighted gun. I believe the original rationale was that if you've run out of ammunition and your bayonet's finally snapped off, you can still knock out their teeth with the butt of the rifle. What it means from a firing perspective - well, the joke is that the first shot will dislocate your shoulder, but don't worry, the second shot will pop it back in place.

Personally I haven't found it to be quite as bad as the joke, but I do use a rubber buttpad and I'm usually wearing more than one layer when I'm shooting. It remains, however, my bear gun for if and when a bear comes after my sheep. Anything smaller and not as tough and it's overkill.

I also have a lovely Savage .22WMR rifle with fluted barrel which shoots like a dream, and we've got a couple of Marlins - a 45-70g which is our other bear gun (my SO's use primarily although it's technically mine - I found it to be an uncomfortable shoot for my arm length and so on) and an 1895c for smaller stuff (coyotes, etc). Basically, if I'm shooting at something, I want to do my best for it to be a quick, clean kill, without being overkill in terms of penetration etc. I'd still like to get the Marlin guide gun someday, but my needs are covered for pretty much anything I'm likely to run into here, so it's not needed. Mercifully, the bear explosion held off this last year, but we're likely to run into more problems of that sort in a year or so, when our orchards start bearing heavily.

Regarding Jamie - I have to admire how he managed to glom onto Richard despite getting shot. The adrenaline must have worked in his favour!

[Alex Starkiller]

Nice.

And wow. That sounds a bit much. I mean, I'm perfectly fine with shotguns of all kinds, but a gun like that sounds worse.

And the rifle looks good. I have a few shotguns in the safe, but I've only used other people's.

And indeed, with only a graze.

[pumpkincat]

It is a bit much for most things. That's why it's my bear gun - bears are hard to take down, and it's the sort of thing where you really, really, really don't want to just make it mad. I wouldn't hunt raccoons with a M-N.