postscript to #213

[dfreas]

Speaking as someone who does eat kosher, I can say it would be extremely important to me to be informed, whether I had eaten one bite or the entire pork hotdog and I'd be fairly pissed off at any friend who chose not to tell me out of some belief that it would protect me from some level of unpleasantness. I would imagine the same is true for vegetarians/vegans.

Most people choose to follow restrictive diets out of more than just moral belief systems. There is usually some practical side. For instance if you look at the list of non-kosher animals it generally includes predators and scavengers - animals who's meat is more likely to contain harmful chemicals and bacteria. It just makes sense to avoid that in my opinion. Sure, there is a religious component to my reasons for eating kosher, but I also honestly believe it is healthier.

A friend who knew I was eating something that wasn't kosher and didn't bother to tell me is obviously a friend who doesn't respect my point of view. That goes beyond not agreeing with it - that means not only do they not agree with it, but they think I'm an idiot for believing it in the fist place.....that's a lot to take.

[Alex Starkiller]

I do not really have many beliefs that withheld information would result in me being hurt. I mean, maybe a few things I don't quite get in the Bible or maybe irrefutable evidence that evolution is the only way life could have formed on Earth, but not much else.

Adding on to the final paragraph, Tailsteak also said it was pretty arrogant of such a friend to do that. Which I agree with, but that also means that Ellen is pretty arrogant...

[FurbyFubar]

I would say that Ellen's ethics are not all that consistent. The better analogy would be "If you periodically ate human flesh thinking it was something else, would you like to be told so you could stop doing it even if it would mean you would feel bad about having done it?". Even when trying to avoid Max's anger, I don't think even Ellen could answer that one with a "No" with a straight face.

[Globus]

There are people who truly believe that ignorance is bliss.

[snowyowl]

Ellen's T-shirt says "Ignorance is not an opinion".

I assume it refers to people who call Tech Support and explicitly refuse to listen to what they did wrong and how they could fix the problem themselves, and I wouldn't assume anyone wears a T-shirt that is relevant to their ethical views, but it's interesting nonetheless.

[Globus]

Wow, appropriate. I noticed that T-shirt earlier and totally forgot about it by now.

[Tailsteak]

And you noticed Max's shirt, yes?

[Globus]

Yeah, it's some white on bright green. Might be two leaves or maybe a butterfly. Also, there is no chance I can read that text.

[Tailsteak]

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